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Darth Chocolateis
Forget 2x1, Vitiate is now forced to fight Darth Tyranus, Darth Maul, Savage Oppress, Asaj Ventress, General Grevious, Joruus C'baoth (Created as a clone before Jorus'es death, so he could replace him) and Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader, pre-Suit). For some reason, he busts in attempting murder "Supreme Chancellor Palpatine" but discovers more than a half dozen Dark Siders .
Who wins?
Darth Chocolateis
Wow. Is he really so powerful that not only can he blast through all of these characters by himself, but that he doesn't even need explanation why?
BreakofDawn
Level Seven
Only one of these characters is equal to or stronger than the Revan or Vaylin, let alone the Outlander. The rest all fall somewhere around the range between Revan to Meetra or Senya.
Team gets crushed.
Darth Chocolateis
Joruus C'baoth is quite impressive. As is Anakin Skywalker and Darth Tyranus. That counts as three imho.
AncientPower
Suspect Hero | Level Four
Lord Vader is significantly beyond any of the strike team members. He might be stronger than Valkorion.
Darth Chocolateis
Okay I haven't actually read the material with Lord C'baoth, but according to Luke, in that novelization, Joruus C'baoth may even be more powerful than Lord Vader.
DarthAnt66
Moderator
@Darth Chocolateis: Here's a cool video that Suspect Insight threw together earlier this year. Sort of relevant to this thread. Might be informative.
Darth Chocolateis
Thanks. I see Joruus seems to be nowhere near the guy at the bottom? I thought he was kind of impressive.
blackymarket
Darth Chocolateis wrote:Okay I haven't actually read the material with Lord C'baoth, but according to Luke, in that novelization, Joruus C'baoth may even be more powerful than Lord Vader.
Not sure where a quote says that as I can only find something like this
"According to Luke Skywalker, the duplicate C'baoth was easily as formidable a foe as Darth Vader and completely twisted to the dark side of the Force." Source: The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook
Though even then, "formidable" means to inspire dread or fear according to the internet definition. So its only saying C'boath is a foe that can inspire as much fear as Vader could, not only anything to do with power.
Though do tell me if you mean something else.
Nevertheless Vitiate still wins.
HellfireUnit
Level Six
Grievous solos.
HellfireUnit
Level Six
BreakofDawn wrote:Only one of these characters is equal to or stronger than the Revan or Vaylin, let alone the Outlander. The rest all fall somewhere around the range between Revan to Meetra or Senya.
Team gets crushed.
Citation needed for Revan being above TPM Maul
The Merchant
Everyone Vitiate ever wronged + Satele stating he is the most destructive force the Galaxy has ever known probably makes him one of the strongest entities to ever exist in Wars tbh
HellfireUnit
Level Six
The Merchant wrote:Everyone Vitiate ever wronged + Satele stating he is the most destructive force the Galaxy has ever known probably makes him one of the strongest entities to ever exist in Wars tbh
Might be until 3600 BBY. Tenebrae's feat could also matter if it didn't take place in Satele's head.
Primarch
eChOeS oF oBlIvIoN dOeSn'T cOuNt BeCaUsE iT wAs InSiDe SaTeLe's MiNd
S_W_LeGenD
Let us consider showdown between the duo of Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt versus Abeloth in
the Beyond Shadows formatirrelevant by extension. While she was loosing strength in the Beyond Shadows format, her remaining two avatars in physical bodies were also crushed by other opponents in a row.
Tenebrae was ENTITY in SWTOR times - he (or it) could manifest his powers
with a body,
outside a body, and also
in mindscapes. Those who were
touched by himcould engage him
in mindscapesby extension. He
devoured a massive world including hundreds of Force-users outside a bodyanyways.
While discussing
entities, WE need to suspend belief and assume the obvious (these beings do not conform to the laws of physics and such). They are beyond the understanding of mortals on average.
LadyKulvax wrote:Lord Vader is significantly beyond any of the strike team members. He might be stronger than Valkorion.
Based on?
1. Jedi Master Lucien Draay represent a good fight to Darth Vader as per one source, and he is below both Revan and Malak as of the Mandalorian Wars endgame; Revan had become the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy as of this point in time.
2. Exar Kun, Darth Malak, and Darth Revan are counted among the most powerful Sith Lords in history as per multiple sources including a new codex entry.
3. Darth Malak surpassed Exar Kun while tapping into the powers of Star Forge
as per one source, and Revan (KoTOR endgame) defeated him in single combat as per multiple sources.
4. Revan became more powerful than ever before as Revan (Reborn) which is independently stated and also apparent from his quick dismissal of Darth Nyriss who in turn defeated both Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik in single combat (confirming that members of the Dark Council can be among the most powerful Sith in the galaxy at any point in time). Irrespective of how many excuses you come up for Meetra Surik, she had help from Lord Scourge in this fight and still lost.
5. Revan (Reborn), Meetra and Lord Scourge - combined would have been taken out by Tenebrae [Corporeal Immortality Emperor Form] let alone his vastly superior ENTITY form.
There. The dots connect very well.
AncientPower
Suspect Hero | Level Four
Please don't spread misinformation. Lucien Draay is a good fight for 'Darth Vader, Jedi Hunter'. Which is this:
Exar Kun being beneath Malak was contradicted in 2011, Malak's currently sub-Valley of the Dark Lords Sith.
Vengean
Darth Nox solos that fodder team let alone The Sith Emperor himself.
Darth Chocolateis
No. Just no. Count Dooku is a great duelist and very powerful Sith. Joruus C'baoth is as threatening as Vader, and Anakin Skywalker, pre suit is also a very real threat to a lot of powerful Sith. I highly doubt that Darth Nox could solo them all, including these three Sith.
Tybalt
Most of the team individually defeat Nox.
Darth Chocolateis
To be honest I thought Nox was pretty hot stuff too.
S_W_LeGenD
LadyKulvax wrote:Please don't spread misinformation. Lucien Draay is a good fight for 'Darth Vader, Jedi Hunter'. Which is this:
Exar Kun being beneath Malak was contradicted in 2011, Malak's currently sub-Valley of the Dark Lords Sith.
I have provided that information in one of my blogs that I wrote for this forum. Your reactions are uncalled for.
You continue to overlook the Star Forge factor in Darth Malak's case which made him 'nearly unstoppable' - this was no ordinary amplification and Bastila Shan cautioned that he would become too powerful for any Jedi to handle if not stopped in time - this is a revelation that you continue to struggle with to this day. Another factor is that Revan no longer restricted himself to the Light - he could draw from both the Light and the Dark sides of the Force to his benefit as he saw fit in his battles by the end of KoTOR - this form of enlightenment shaped him into a warrior having a unique skillset and packing considerable punch by extension. Darth Gravid attempted to follow suit only to turn insane and Darth Plagueis mentioned that this was impractical course for any Sith. Revan [The Prodigal Knight] made an offer to the Jedi High Council to shape a new generation of the Jedi with his teachings but they refused his offer and barred him from taking any Padawan. This was the golden opportunity for the Jedi Order to evolve as a whole but ancient traditions were deemed too important to ignore by the others. There are numerous ways to hype both Revan and Tenebrae by extension - do not forget this. Exar Kun is great but other giants should be respected as well.
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BreakofDawn
Level Seven
Darth Chocolateis wrote:To be honest I thought Nox was pretty hot stuff too.
Compared to the other FU protags, no. Even after getting all 5/6 ghosts, she's still sub-EW.
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